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January 15, 2005

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Etienne

well. I've been figuring this out. I'm coming with an answer, but i need a little more time !

Cyrus Farivar

I don't watch enough TV to justify paying for cable much less to own a TV. But there are very certain things that I do watch and would pay for (read: Enterprise and The Daily Show). If either of those companies, Paramount and Comedy Central would let me pay $5/month or something like that so I could have reliable, high-quality downloads of the shows, it would be fantastic. I already have customized music (I can buy one track at the iTMS), why can't I do the same with television?).

George Hotelling

TiVo now has a way for people to link to shows, if you'll excuse a self-link I wrote about it at my blog.

Chris Anderson

George: Good point, and I've updated the post to reflect it. I knew about the feature but had dimissed it for the reasons I discuss above. But you're right to note that it sounds similar.

George Hotelling

You're right, it would be nice if there were a universal identifier for a television show. I think it's a ways off though, we have a unified way to link to a book (For example, Dann Gillmore's We The Media is urn:isbn:0-5960-0733-7 ) but everyone just links to Amazon.

If a TV listings company opened their database to web services to allow what you want they would gain an incredible amount of leverage in the PVR market. They would become the Amazon of TV.

Chris

I agree with George Hotelling on the issue of opening up the directory. You'd think TiVO would do this for the kind of application Chris blogged about. For instance, I could be a non-subscriber talking about a show and drive traffic to TiVO and provide convenience for their subscribers by using the TiVO permalink for a show, couldn't I?

This thread is interesting enough that I'm going to get a Tivo for DirecTV (wish I could afford the HD version, but I'm not plunking down a grand), and then see what they expose, and what we might use to wrap their content to a) expose via RSS, b) use to drive their programming without asking them to make changes.

Chris

Or, I could just browse the web for 5 minutes and see that a lot of other folks are working on that!

(grin)

Marc Balgavy

Thanks for all the recent entries about "Long Tail TV." They've been a lot of fun to read.

Your mention above about programming your Tivo from a telephone reminded me of VCR Plus from a decade ago. Am I just making this up, or was there a way to just type a code into your phone and have your VCR record the show of your choice? Obviously, you had to know the code, which doesn't even begin to capture the nuances of the actions you mention. It just suggests that the desire to record television while having a drink at the bar has been there for a long time.

Imran

Something I've been considering (and now developing) as TV recommendation mechanisms are social networks. Currently, I use del.icio.us to bookmark articles and sites - its 'Inbox' feature aggregates new bookmarks from people I know, giving me a trusted recommendations for web content mechanism based on trusted relationships. I'm theorising that the same mechanism can be applied to any media.

Imagine a TV Inbox, that collates references to shows that your friends are watching (and publically articulating the fact) and tagging...I could subscribe to 'Ian's SciFi channel' - all the SciFi shows my friend rated simply by watching them...combined with feeds from my other relationships, I essentially have a TV playlist formed by the viewing habits of my friends, filtered by my relationships with them and the categorisations we're all interested in.

We plan to develop a prototype around this throughout 2005 - working with some of the developers of Buttress to help create the RSS+BitTorrent delivery mechanism.

George Hotelling

Imran - Netflix picked up on this recently, they introduced a friends list that is the sort of feature that can drive Long Tail content.

Chris

Without considering some of the obvious obstacles, what I'd like to see is something similar to the automated 411 voice recognition service.

1) Dial into your DVR (give it it's own phone number)
2) Enter your password
3) The service would ask for the title, maybe the time.
4) You speak, or perhaps type, what it asks for
5) Maybe options are presented moviefone style
6) you choose, and it's done. :)

Imran

Thanks George Hotelling, I read about the Netflix thing a few weeks ago...though I'd been working on our idea prior to that...it's nice to know that I'm not crazy!

BTW, I recognise your name from a comment on my blog!

pb

I think there's a ways to go here. Tivo originally charged extra for web-based programming (and it's not immediate, as you note), Replay refuses to offer Safari and Firefox support and Comcast doesn't offer it at all. First things first.

Tim

In the DTV standards (see: A/57A) there's a section on identifying content in the MPEG-2 stream, hopefully these smart apps will take advantage of those so we don't have to have "Start Time: 5 minutes early or after". DVRs should definitely use it.

Bill Seitz

re unique identifier for TV show/series... we need centralized databases with critical mass, equivalent to IMDB and CDDB/FreeDB...

Actually, IMDB includes an awful lot of TV series, since movie actors are also on TV.

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0367279/

bp


Check out Elgato. They have a Mac based TV system (including one for HD) that integrates some of the features you mention, plus many more. I have not used one yet, but am highly tempted to move towards a Mac Mini combined with Elgato as my media center.

http://www.elgato.com/

Alex Rowland

Chris, the article re: the long tail is right on the money. What I feel like everyone misses is the point you made about MP3.com. Unless you have the mass market content to drive the niches, the cost of customer acquisition makes the model economically inefficient (to the point of being unsustainable). What is needed is a service that provides the solution you identified (remote scheduling of the DVR or similar device) while also providing access to niche content to be forwarded on to that same DVR (albeit by an alternate connection). Use the mass-market to drive consumer participation and then drag them slowly down the tail. Starting with the tail alone is a non-starter.

I'd like to get your thoughts (or anyone's thoughts) on the impact of all the PC to TV devices (including Set-top boxes and DVRs of various flavors) showcased at CES. By ceding DRM control to Microsoft (as seemed to be the case with all these devices) doesn't every hardware vendor and MSO cede the control of a disintermediated supply chain to a company not necessarily known for playing well with others.

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