I am, in full disclosure, a member of the Media Elite. I'm a Conde Nast editor, run a glossy mainstream magazine, spent much of my career at The Economist and consort with known journalists. But nothing annoys me more than the oft-heard assertion within media circles that without us blogs would be nothing.
This is so commonly held a belief in the industry that it is unfair to pick just one example. But I must do so anyway, so I will use a recent one from an otherwise unimpeachable source--my favorite writer in the world, Malcolm Gladwell, a man who is right on so many things (and is also a blogger) that I can only think that his comment was intentionally made to provoke posts like this one. Speaking at a panel on "Online Media and the Future of Journalism" in NYC two weeks ago, Gladwell said:
"Without the New York Times, there is no blog community. They'd have nothing to blog about."
This is the Derivative Myth. It usually goes like this (and again, I don't mean to pick on Malcolm, who didn't say the following and no doubt meant his comment above to be at least partly tongue in cheek): Blogs, which are mostly written by amateurs, couldn't possibly do what We Do. Instead, they mostly just comment on what we do, supplying low-value-add chatter about our stories that must not be confused with Proper Journalism or other Quality Content from us Professionals.
Let's look at some numbers. Technorati shows that there are currently 555,000 posts linking to the New York Times. Nearly 800,000 posts mention the Times in one way or another. Sounds like a lot? Not if you pull back and look at the entire blogosphere. Technorati is currently tracking 2.7 billion links.
What are most people actually talking about? Mostly themselves, their friends, their family and things that are more interesting to them and their daily lives than whatever we in the media choose to focus on with our limited resources and space. To use a proper head-to-head comparison with the searches above, Technorati currently shows more than 152,000,000 posts that use the word "I". So that's roughly 300 times more people talking about themselves (and the world around them) than talking about what the New York Times has written about.
Here are the top ten most blogged-about mainstream media sites, with the percentage of total posts that incoming links to their stories comprise (I've used a very conservative estimate of 200 million total posts in the current Technorati search window, which is based on the 152 million result from the common word "I" above):
Media Site Blog links (percentage of total)
- BBC: 681,000 (0.3%)
- Yahoo News: 605,000 (0.3%)
- New York Times: 555,000 (0.3%)
- Washington Post: 434,000 (0.2%)
- CNN: 428,000 (0.2%)
- Guardian Unlimited: 252,000 (0.1%)
- USA Today: 141,000 (0.1%)
- Yomiuri Online: 127,000 (0.1%)
- SF Gate: 117,340 (<0.1%)
- LA Times: 116,000 (<0.1%)
I think the only reasonable conclusion to draw from the above is that we in the mainstream media need to get over ourselves. What we do has great value, but we no longer have a monopoly on leading the public conversation (not that we ever did, of course, but it was easier to delude ourselves before). The blogosphere doesn't need us to give them something to talk about. When we do what we do well and add new ideas, information and analysis, blogs can be our best friend, amplifying our reach many-fold. But when we don't, the former audience is very happy to talk amongst itself.
Chris, it takes courage and a lot of talent to say what you said and support it with facts. Thanks for the real story here. It would be so easy to see and support war between these two sides and we have lots of practice with picking fights. I'd love to be part of a thoughtful circle that devises a plan for peace and prosperity between two valuable groups that could turn our sinking economy around because of their innovative collaboration! You may have just sparked that possibility.
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Posted by: Ellen Weber | July 09, 2006 at 07:16 AM
Your argument strikes me as a classic example of setting up and knocking down a straw man, rather than addressing reality.
I don't think the Gladwellian "they" have ever argued that without mainstream press, there would be nothing to blog about. The argument is instead that without the mainstream press, there would be little of substance to blog about in the realm of public affairs.
Sure, billions of posts on myspace could and would and will happily continue whether the NYT exists or not. Ideological bloggers will continue to bloviate about current events whether the NYT (et al) exist of not.
But fact-based, reality community discussion demands disciplined journalism that, thus far, only the MSM really provides.
Posted by: hweaver | July 09, 2006 at 08:33 AM
I agree entirely with your sentiments. Like I'm sure many other bloggers, I do some research before writing posts on my blogs. Typically I'll check Google News and Google Blogsearch to see what's current on the topic at hand. More often than not it's the blogosphere that provides the more useful fuel to topics.
My view is that it's the traditional media that have the problem at the moment. How can they monetise their outputs given the nature of the competition? That's the blogosphere, a disruptive technology if ever there was one.
Posted by: Barry Welford | July 09, 2006 at 10:04 AM
This:"fact-based, reality community discussion demands disciplined journalism that, thus far, only the MSM really provides."--I find curious. I am wondering how said hweaver defines the MSM to fill the set, as defined.
Posted by: M E Hoffer | July 09, 2006 at 11:33 AM
I totally agree, and as a bloger, i would like to thank you about this thoughts !
Your post remember me about the work on amateurs, made by the english think tank Demos : The Pro-Am Revolution: How enthusiasts are changing our economy and society.
And example such as John Dobson.
Once again, thanks for your work which is helping people to emphasizes more on what seems 'small' !
Posted by: Carl Hallard | July 09, 2006 at 12:55 PM
It is just like the way music majors in France (my country) are trying to penalize peer to peer, as with peer to peer, music is becoming abondant, and how to sell something abondant ?
There a great work done by Alban Martin about that :
http://cocreation.blogs.com/
http://cocreation.blogs.com/alban/files/the_entertainment_industry_is_cracked_here_is_the_patch.pdf
Posted by: Carl Hallard | July 09, 2006 at 12:58 PM
There's no black and white here. Sometimes, a story becomes a story because the main stream media breaks it, and then the blogosphere runs with it. For example, the wiretapping story broken by the NYT was cause for conversation in the blogosphere.
Conversely, We're now seeing the blogoshpere creating stories that are being picked up by MSM. It's not rare to see Talking Points Memo, or other blogs, breaking a news story nowadays, and then watching MSM run with it.
I guess the point is that sometimes MSM creates fodder for the blogosphere, and sometimes the blogosphere creates fodder for MSM. It's not an either/or situation.
Posted by: Paul McEnany | July 09, 2006 at 07:56 PM
Hey Chris,
It's germane to mention here, given the theme, that I clicked through to your blog from an ad for The Long Tail in the NY Times. Be assured that such ad-clicking is something I very rarely do.
As to where the press gets the substance of its stories, I recall several occasions where my blogging -- even before it was called that -- gave the NY Times something to write about. Ask Markoff. Not to mention (but here I go) The Economist and Wired, as you probably remember yourself -- likely with a twisted grimace.
I wrote at some length about journalism -- both Public and Original Flavor -- in Gonzo Marketing, comparing print with online forms of news reporting, though blogs were still in their infancy. This may explain why so few "got it" back then, to coin a phrase. I note in the latest FORBES that the EVP of Human Capital at Best Buy has jumped on the Cluetrain in a big way, so perhaps the tail really is quite a bit longer than the dog.
But back to capital-N News, the other reason Gonzo was under-read (imho) was that it published a month after 9/11. The first review appeared nearly six months later. I'm not saying 9/11 wasn't a big deal, of course, but life did go on, as life will, gods willing. Yet you wouldn't have known it from the kind of feeding-frenzy journalism of which our institutional press has become so inordinately fond. It's entirely possible that Cat Blogs and such are all that kept us sane during that barrage.
I think many took the "Gonzo" of my title to mean something like "wild and crazy" -- and what else would you expect from someone known in seamier quarters as RageBoy? But the real point was Hunter Thompson's very useful and serious notion of gonzo journalism, which spoke to the mission impossible of "objective" reporting. I tried very hard to do his views justice in that book, and I think they warrant close examination -- even more today than when he was eating windowpane in Vegas.
Finally: one notable difference between print media and blogs, is the ease the latter afford in firing off a Letter to the Editor -- as evidenced here. ;-)
Posted by: Christopher Locke | July 10, 2006 at 04:12 AM
McEnany's post is spot-on. As Locke and company pointed out several years ago, the media function as a system, with each player living off each other's output. With the rise of blogs and other web-based media, the overall system is in flux. But it's still a system. And in the realm of public affairs, MSM are collectively still the dominant provider of news fodder to the rest of the system. They will continue to be so as long as they can fund the reporting infrastructure that allows them dig up the most "news." The big questions are how long and at what level will their economics support such infrastructure. Eventually, the system will strike a new balance, and MSM will still have a (less-)dominant role in public affairs news. Just a hunch.
Posted by: Paul Pendergrass | July 10, 2006 at 07:37 AM
Just found this in my inbox. Recursion or plain old irony? Back to the Gladwell proposition, ask yourself: who's following whom here?
Tail Is Wagging the Internet Dog
From The New York Times
Moving the economy "from mass markets to millions of niches," Chris Anderson writes, amounts to nothing less than a reordering of society.
Full Article: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/08/business/08online.html
Posted by: Christopher Locke | July 10, 2006 at 10:27 AM
As hweaver already pointed out, counting the number of links to MSM and dividing by the number of personal blog posts about someone's cat is like comparing apples and oranges. A better statistic would be the number of posts linking to MSM divided by the number of posts tagged or categorized as public affairs in one way or another.
Second, I think MSM will always be the dominant player in this “market”, for the same reason that the firm is the dominant organizational structure in most business markets. In an economic sense, journalism requires heavy capital investments and there are huge transaction costs involved. Independent contractors (bloggers) are at best niche players. We certainly don't have anything close to the institutional resources required to report relevant news stories.
Posted by: Eric Mortensen | July 11, 2006 at 01:10 AM
These are all great points. I got into blogging because the subject I write about--gardening--is so rarely treated as real news and is instead reduced to silly home decorating-type tips by the mainstream media.
So I started a group blog with some other garden writers and we've been having a lively debate about why garden writing isn't taken at least as seriously as food writing, and, for that matter, why there isn't a Wired for gardeners. I think that bloggers with lively voices and strong opinions have a great deal to add, and our goal was to do just what you're talking about--shift the conversation. It's about time!
Posted by: Amy Stewart | July 11, 2006 at 06:07 PM
Without wanting to sound all 'peace-love-and-mung-beans', why must the discussion about blogging vs MSM need to be considered a zero-sum game? As McEnany said above, it's neither black/white nor either/or, and others like John Naughton have opined (in the Observer newspaper) blogging's growth is simply causing a reordering of the media ecology.
In other words, despite the predictions of many, neither side is going to wind up extinct here.
If the focus is information and its dissemination, the only reason one side or the other must be the *dominant player* is hubris.
In many respects, it's not just MSM that need to get over themselves.
Posted by: Jeremy Ballenger | July 12, 2006 at 01:54 AM
...speak among themselves!? Is this all bloggers do? How about: address the many issues, which the main stream press does not address, or addresses only occasionally; enter ideas, which are not in fashion; add information, content, emotion to the modern world; permit the expression of opinion, which otherwise would go unnoticed; fostering expressive writing...to name just a few...
Posted by: Christine Sander | July 14, 2006 at 02:06 PM
Chris, how many of the links that don't link directly to MSM sites link to reports of MSM stories on other sites - ie a layer away from the original? I'm thinking of the number of posts that link to other posts, or to the likes of Digg of Slashdot, that have, as their endpoint, an MSM story, but which wouldn't show up in the kind of Technorati search that you're doing.
Posted by: Ian Betteridge | July 31, 2006 at 08:05 AM
I think the point is this: without professional newsgathering organizations, most of the bloggers who think of themselves as part of the "blogosphere" (that is, political bloggers) would have little or nothing to do.
How many ad-supported bloggers are attending press conferences, conducting interviews, pouring through government records, etc?
In most communities, there are one or two.
Gladwell's point is so obvious that it's hard to understand where the disagreement is coming from.
Posted by: RJC | August 22, 2006 at 10:40 AM
RJC,
"Blogosphere = political bloggers"? Why do assume that? The evidence is to the contrary: most bloggers write about the world immediately around them (ie, themselves, their friends and their niche interests). See this post for more.
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I concur completely...as I just posted over at Listen Missy:
"I haven't experienced it yet (nor will I for awhile - I'm not back in NYC until September), but the bag-searching idea on the NYC Subways seems really dumb to me.
I mean, apparently, you have the right to turn around and leave and thus not be searched. So, I'd expect hypothetical bomb-carrying terrorists would exercise this right, then walk the 5-7 minutes to the next stop, and try again.
As it is, all the new system will cause is inconvenience."
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